If a birds not smart enough to stay away from something spinning... It should not be alive, condors are a waste of tax payer money, you enviormentalists want to get rid of oil and gas but would rather save some dumb bird who can't survive on its own rather to help fuel alternative energy, think those birds taste like chicken?

Critics of which there are many millions, are not just environmentalists. They are just regular people that are sick of seeing this nowhere industry being propped up by billions in tax dollars. Millions of others are sick of seeing scenic vistas ruined and falling property values. Many other millions are not happy about the ongoing avian mortality cover-up bogus/fraudulent studies, and the collusion with the USFWS that has taken place for over two decades. I happen fit in the last category because I feel the slaughter of precious bird life is far more important than stealing tax dollars and running a con on the public.

Let's think about something. Environmentalists don't want more wind turbines because a bird might fly into one and get injured or killed. They'd like the existing wind turbines removed. No new dams for hydro-electric generators because they ruin pristine land by the flooding lake behind the dam. In some areas dams are being removed for the fish to swim upstream. No more nuclear reactors, some have gone off-line never to be started again. Solar energy is being fought because the little animals homes will be destroyed or we'll loose farm land when the solar plants are built. Where are we supposed to get our electricity from for our homes and businesses? If the High Speed Rail is constructed, which will be powered by massive amounts of electricity, where will the electricity come from?

Getting the public to pay for bogus studies that support an industry with no regulations ............ "But AWEA and the at-large industry firmly believe the guidelines should - and will - remain voluntary. Their logic maintains that the industry does a better job of proactive and all-encompassing wildlife protection if allowed to focus on site-specific big-picture issues rather than a checklist of mandatory one-size-fits-all requirements. The California Wind Energy Association (CalWEA) recently applied for $750,000 in grant funding (The public will get to pay for the industry's bogus studies) from the state's Public Interest Energy Research programme to fund eagle research in Kern County. "We don't know enough about the eagle population," said CalWEA executive director Nancy Rader. "We want to compile and analyse all the data that's out there and sitting in boxes." The research would also include helicopter studies to assess the area's eagle population and would co-ordinate with development of the Desert Renewable Energy Conservation Plan, which focuses on accelerated permitting for more than 90,000 square kilometres of California desert that includes the vaunted Tehachapi region. According to Rader, the area could host up to 80% of the state's new wind, solar and other renewable-energy projects by 2050. http://www.windpowermonthly.com/news/1124479/Eagle-deaths-push-policy-agenda/

There is nothing green about wind factories. In 2010 Vestas used 32 million tons of cement just for the bases for their windmills. Cement is the number 1 contributor to CO2 emmission with 1 pound of CO2 produced with every pound of cement manufactured. And just think,, Vestas, according to it's own web site, only had 11% of the market. By the time you add in the carbon generated from the 700,000 tons of steel used by them in that same year you have a footprint that is gigantic. Don't forget to add in all the trains, planes, helicopters, bulldozers, trucks, ships and cars that are used to ship parts, construct the things and them maintain them,,, oh and lets also not forget all of the oil, cooling fluids and environmentally hazardous metals used in these things. Vestas, with 11% of the market, selling machines that according to CALWEA, provide 25% VALUE of the nameplate rating. Five years ago their stock was $150 per share, 3 years ago it was at $50 on July 4th it was about $4 per share. Even the investors are beginning to see that these companies cannot survive with tax payer dollars. Their business model is based on "lets do it now, and do it before the public realizes what we've done." That is the same attitude the Kern County Planning dept has. When the wind doesn't blow these things will eat as much energy as they produce. Someday they may be a viable form of energy but they certainly are just a money grab right now and the tax payers and environment are going to be paying for this boondoggle for generations.

Wake up folks. Over the last 6 years several hundred Whooping Cranes have gone missing and their critically endangered population is rapidly declining. This year over 100 whooping cranes went missing and many of the lost members fell victim to the thousands of wind turbines now located in the central flyway. The USFWS is aware of all this, especially in light of their newly adopted USFWS methodology of "estimating" Whooping Crane numbers. The new USFWS methodology was put in place so the declining Whopping Crane population the could be exaggerated. Only 192 were counted this year but their population is now being estimated 27% higher at 245. The stark reality is that free flying Whooping Cranes have only a few short years left in the Central Flyway because of the wind industry. The USFWS, the CA Dept of Fish and Game, and the CA Energy Commission all know that Condors no longer fly free and must be manipulated with feeding stations to keep them from the turbines. This big lie or charade must stop because soon this industry will be exterminating many bird species around the world. In addition, raising these dying species like the condors in zoos is no answer. How could it ever be when their world has been destroyed. One would think that any politician would want to separate themselves as far as possible from the unethical conduct and devastating impacts caused by the wind industry. But Governor Brown, President Obama and many other fools just keep on selling this fraud to us.

Of course this project will kill Condors. But you will never hear about it from this slimy industry. This has been going on for decades with the blessings of the USFWS, which has in place rigged or what they call "Voluntary Guidelines" for the wind industry. It is long over due that the Interior Department and USFWS to start doing the job they were meant to do instead of running interference for the wind industry. The public also needs to get it in their heads that the propeller style wind turbine is having a disastrous impacts. The undisclosed and declining Golden Eagle population around Altamont and the rapidly declining Whooping Crane population are perfect examples. For decades the wind industry mortality studies have been deliberately designed with flawed methodology. Examples of this flawed methodology include searching turbines that are not operating, by looking in a small search areas around the turbines, by looking bodies every 15 or 30 days instead of looking every day, by not using dogs which could quickly find every fallen bird or bat, by not counting the permanently disabled or mortally wounded, and by allowing employees/lease holders to pick up bodies. In a few short years the wind industry will be killing at least a 1000-1500 eagles a year in the United States. This number will include several hundred bald eagles. Eagle populations across this country will be decimated because they can not withstand this mortality and many of the industry's planned projects lie in eagle habitat.

Oh my. Those horrible environmentalists are fighting against extinction of raptors. What awful people. Quote: Big wind projects are destroying our public lands. They are blasting tops off mountains and bulldozing our deserts- with our tax dollars. These were wild and scenic places set aside for future generations. Congress has no right to give it away to big energy companies. These wind companies are owned by Big Oil. Big wind projects in our region are polluting a small town with chemicals used in dust suppression, diverting drainage and flooding the community, and getting kill permits to destroy endangered bighorn sheep and eagles. In Southern CA we had TWO brush fires in the past month caused by wind turbines, too. Another wind farm here has stray voltage 1,0000 times normal and people near it are sick. These are dangerous and destructive. Rooftop solar is cheaper and cleaner--Congress needs to get out of bed with predatory energy companies and start remembering that they work for the people. Compromise is over. It is no more acceptable to put open bladed propellers into avian flyways than it is to sell house fan without protective grills on them. Every single one of them need to be shut down and pulled out of the ground. The Rudnick owner's wetland being used at NSR to water roads and make cement pads will go down at least 9 feet; 21 sq miles, about the same size as the City of Ridgcrest will be 100% destroyed with them using defoliants/herbicides for the next 30 years to keep brush down. NextEra got the project because Steve Black, chief architect for renewable energy was sleeping with NextEra's lobbyist. Those wild lands, my friends, represent a valuable significant source of food and fresh water that are being destroyed forever. Our planet is heating up fast to levels where local food sources and ag land must be preserved. Instead, companies are buying up property putting up wind and solar, then flipping them. Barclays Bank owns Oak Creek.

It seems to me there must be a balance struck between our need for clean energy and protection of our wildlife. Although, pads have been graded and poured turbines have not yet been installed. Why not choose turbines that have lower bird mortality rates? Instead of installing turbines that kill 1,600 birds a year why not install turbines that kill < 800? It's all about compromize.